Three further refuseniks have been sentenced by Yesh Gvul 11:39pm Mon Apr 1 '02 Three further refuseniks have been sentenced in recent hours print article Dear friend, Three further refuseniks have been sentenced in recent hours: Lieut. (res.) Timor Yisraeli of the armoured corps has been sentenced to 28 days for refusal. Yisraeli, a student of theatre, is a signatory of the "Courage to Refuse" declaration. Sgt. (res.) Oded L. (at his request, we are withholding his name) of Rehovot, has been sentenced to 35 days' detention. The number of jailed refuseniks now stands at 16. A further 20 cases of refusal are pending, awaiting the response of unit commanders. In view of the much tougher policy now adopted by the army, we expect most of these cases to entail imprisonment. add your comments

heroes by bradipo 3:47am Tue Apr 2 '02 print comment heroes! hope refusniks will grow in number and strenght in the next weeks. peace! add your comments

Visionaries by zenhen 6:06am Tue Apr 2 '02 print comment Peace and strength be with these fine examples of humanity. For without the powerless, the powerful are NOT add your comments

I want to rais a problem by Roee 10:55pm Tue Apr 2 '02 print comment what if somehow tommrow we will sign some documents with the palestinians that will promice us peace if we will evacuate the setelments. Now suppose the setelments population will deny the goverment decision and they will send the IDF to move them. Dont you think that there will be soliders that will refuse to that order? will you think THAN that its ok to refuse? I mean if you think whats the idf is doing the the teritory is wrong ( and thats totaly ok thing to think) the Idf is not the address to send your objection. The Idf is a tool not a policy maker. Its not ok that soliders refuse to serev because this is move us very very close , much closer then you think to anrchy. If some one wish to object the goverment policy he can join / found a party, or vote for one. Im not saing we all should support the same ideals and ideas because that will be not a decmoc' but that there are things that are destroying the decmocratiy itsef, and as a selfdef' democratiy it has the right to protect itself. I guess that most of you will agree that most of the time the majority is the policy maker ( of course there are some exceptions ) and the democratic ways ( not - we wont do anything that the majority, which i dont feel belong to , will decide ) to object the current policy. The way of refusment is a DANGERUS one add your comments

Refusniks Website by cortomaltי 3:16am Wed Apr 3 '02 print comment http://www.seruv.org.il/defaulteng.asp add your comments

respect et honneur by deligne lisiane 9:00am Wed Apr 3 '02 print comment Dans cette obscurantisme, une lumière brille ........ quelques hommes ont choisi la liberté, le respect et l'honneur, malgré la souffrance et le mépris. Courage, Vous êtes les hommes de bonne volonté. add your comments

Heroes by Anne Davenport 9:17pm Wed Apr 3 '02 adavenport@cfa.harvard.edu print comment The refusenicks are heroes, may they inspire many and lead the way to peace add your comments

The backs are to the walls by Trotsky 9:22pm Wed Apr 3 '02 print comment Of course it would be ideal if a leftist political movement was the driving force behind a progressive change in Israeli society. The fact of the matter is that leftism in Israel is so degraded and confused that it has fallen to the refusniks to protest the growing fascism and terrorism of the Israeli regime and the IDF the only way they can: by refusing to become one of the fascists and terrorists. My hope is that the Israeli left will catalyze itself into a strong, unified and coherent movement around these brave and moral soldiers. add your comments

Democracy requires human rights protection by human 10:02pm Wed Apr 3 '02 print comment what if somehow tommrow we will sign some documents with the palestinians that will promice us peace if we will evacuate the setelments. Now suppose the setelments population will deny the goverment decision and they will send the IDF to move them. Dont you think that there will be soliders that will refuse to that order? will you think THAN that its ok to refuse? I mean if you think whats the Democracy can only makes sense if you also have human rights protection. This is why under international human rights laws which most rich and poor countries have signed and ratified (with exceptions like Iraq, North Korea, USA, etc.) make it *obligatory* for soldiers and police to *refuse* to obey orders which violate human rights. For example, police and soldiers are legally obliged to refuse to carry out torture. If their superiors order this, they are obliged to disobey. idf is doing the the teritory is wrong ( and thats totaly ok thing to think) the Idf is not the address to send your objection. The Idf is a tool not a policy maker. Its not ok that soliders refuse to serev because this is move us very very close , much closer then you think to anrchy. If some one wish to object the goverment policy he can join / found a party, or vote for one. Im not saing we all should support Voting once every few years is not enough for an egalitarian democracy. And Israeli democracy is only a very limited democracy, because the elected leaders can only act within narrow margins allowed by the USA and big corporations. There is a small margin of freedom, but it's not big. the same ideals and ideas because that will be not a decmoc' but that there are things that are destroying the decmocratiy itsef, and as a selfdef' democratiy it has the right to protect itself. Not if the way of protecting itself violates basic human rights. Arresting alleged suicide bombers (the ones who fail, or the ones who train them) and putting them on trial where evidence is presented and debated is consistent with democracy and human rights. Assassination of alleged suicide bombers (and co.) is barbaric and is not a form of protection. Unless you carry out complete (100.00%) genocide, it cannot be a form of protection. I guess that most of you will agree that most of the time the majority is the policy maker ( of course there are some exceptions ) and the democratic ways ( not - we wont do anything that the majority, which i dont feel belong to , will decide ) to object the current policy. The majority of people from around the world have decided in favour of human rights. The majority *opposed* the US bombing civilians in Afghanistan, the majority *oppose* suicide attacks, the majority *oppose* Israeli assassination policies. The way of refusment is a DANGERUS one True, refusal to commit a crime can be dangerous, whether it is the mafia or the government that asks you to commit a crime. It's dangerous, but it's the most moral action to take. www.amnesty.org/ add your comments

Les Grands Hommes De La Liberte. by Captain Nemo 10:23pm Wed Apr 3 '02 print comment Oui, Vous etes Les Grands Hommes de la Liberte, du Fraternite, de la Humanite entiere. Oui, courage! C'est un premier pas mais j'espere c'est pas le dernier. add your comments